"the fact that these men were white, land owning, slave owning, witch killing, pro government, pro war, wife beating kind of guys. I mean, we are talking about the guys who wrote the "rule of thumb"."
They were white and land owning. This is certainly true.
Some owned slaves, some did not. Most of the New Englander's did not own slaves.
Absolutely none of them where witch killing. You have your centuries confused. The Salem witch trials happened in 1692, and the Constitution was written in 1787.
They were not really pro-government, in the sense that phrase is used today. They were pro-liberty and wanted to guarentee the maximum of liberty for all citizens. Unfortunately, some did not feel that way towards blacks and nearly all did not believe that way towards women. But, for the time, this was a remarkable step forward to guarenteeing personal liberty.
They were not really pro-war. They were pro-independance. If England would have left us alone without a war, the founding fathers, by and large, would have been happy. This was just impossible though. Washington, in his farewell address said we should stay out of forieng entanglements (i.e. wars).
Wife beating? Please show me some documentation of this regarding the founding fathers. I know of none and I am really well read in the area. I assume, like any random group of people, this went on to some extent, but it was certainly not documented at all. Madison, certainly could not be accused of this as Dolly was bigger and most likely stronger than he. :)
Rule of thumb..... That is laughable: http://www.debunker.com/texts/ruleofthumb.html --- Jeffrey S. Blatt
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Re: Good points
Date: 2002-06-30 09:10 am (UTC)They were white and land owning. This is certainly true.
Some owned slaves, some did not. Most of the New Englander's did not own slaves.
Absolutely none of them where witch killing. You have your centuries confused. The Salem witch trials happened in 1692, and the Constitution was written in 1787.
They were not really pro-government, in the sense that phrase is used today. They were pro-liberty and wanted to guarentee the maximum of liberty for all citizens. Unfortunately, some did not feel that way towards blacks and nearly all did not believe that way towards women. But, for the time, this was a remarkable step forward to guarenteeing personal liberty.
They were not really pro-war. They were pro-independance. If England would have left us alone without a war, the founding fathers, by and large, would have been happy. This was just impossible though. Washington, in his farewell address said we should stay out of forieng entanglements (i.e. wars).
Wife beating? Please show me some documentation of this regarding the founding fathers. I know of none and I am really well read in the area. I assume, like any random group of people, this went on to some extent, but it was certainly not documented at all. Madison, certainly could not be accused of this as Dolly was bigger and most likely stronger than he. :)
Rule of thumb..... That is laughable: http://www.debunker.com/texts/ruleofthumb.html
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Jeffrey S. Blatt