McChrystal and Pournelle
Jun. 28th, 2010 01:44 pmYeah, yeah, I know. I shouldn't have looked at Mr. Pournelle's reactions, because they were only likely to annoy someone like myself, who insists on empirical, observable reasons for things.
Still. Like the wag who once said they'd known Daniel Day-Lewis so long they could remember when he was English, I've known Jerry Pournelle so long I can remember when he was a patriot. So I was curious, and hope springs eternal.
Pournelle doesn't give evidence of seeing the obvious parallels between McChrystal and McClellan I've mentioned. That's fine in and of itself, but the reason mostly appears to be he'd rather work with Rome as his parallel of choice. Again, I have no objection to that per se, until he says this:
"The purpose of the military is to break things and kill people. Will the Legions in Afghanistan be permitted to do that?"
Um... When it comes to "the" purpose of the military, not just no, but hell, no.
Here's what FM-3, Operations says:
"The Army organizes, trains, and equips its forces to fight and win the nation’s wars and achieve directed national objectives. Fighting and winning the nation’s wars is the foundation of Army service—the Army’s nonnegotiable contract with the American people and its enduring obligation to the nation. (emphasis added)
Sometimes, breaking things and killing people is how you fight and win the nation’s wars.
But sometimes, it isn't -- and fighting and winning is the "nonnegotiable contract" that takes priority over one old man's teenager-at-any-age impulses to break things and kill people.
That's the thing with reading Pournelle -- it almost always feels like being in a time machine, and the past 55 years haven't happened.
He then goes on to make what, at first blush, appears to be a good point:
"I have always been opposed to any massive US presence in Afghanistan. I do not really want the Legions to learn how to govern without the consent of the governed..."
I'll speculate a moment here, and guess that if you asked Pournelle the danger, it's he wants to keep the taste of a military coup out of the mouth of our armed forces.
Here are the problems I can think of with that, though, off the top of my head:
* For God's sake, Jerry, has there been a span of more than three years since 1861 when "the Legions" weren't governing some patch of land without the consent of the governed? Some of the years in question were on US soil, even. Pournelle was born in Louisiana and grew up in Memphis. It's tough to imagine he doesn't realize this (and can't think of examples since Reconstruction in the South of the Army governing some patch of land without the consent of the governed). After 150 years, I think the precedent has been set.
* It implies today's United States Army is no better than the armed forces of a banana republic, just waiting for the civilian authority to let down its guard. I don't think Pournelle (or anyone else with that attitude) can show more contempt to today's soldiers than that.
"If the United States wants to be in the Empire business, it will need to develop two kinds of military force: the nation builders, and the Legions."
This is where Pournelle decides to channel Walt Whitman ("Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"). But refreshingly, it's one of the few hints Pournelle has read anything on military affairs more recent than 1985 (notably, Tom Barnett, and I again call your attention to his talk at TED for a 24 minute quickie version of his "brief" which calls for a similar split in the military). Though, you never know, perhaps Pournelle came up with the idea independently -- the idea that such an approach is necessary for "Empire" and not just for, you know, fighting and winning the nation's wars would seem to argue for such detachment on Pournelle's part from current conversations the rest of the world are having.
But here's the real problem: Rome itself didn't follow Pournelle's model. Relative to the size of the Empire, relative to the size of the Legions, relative to the centuries they ruled... They just didn't "break things and kill people" all that often. The Legions were "the nation builders," most of the time. We're talking pre-capitalism, pre-corporatism -- it's not like the private sector had the wherewithal to do all that much of Imperial scope.
But why let the historical record get in the way of a good story?
Still. Like the wag who once said they'd known Daniel Day-Lewis so long they could remember when he was English, I've known Jerry Pournelle so long I can remember when he was a patriot. So I was curious, and hope springs eternal.
Pournelle doesn't give evidence of seeing the obvious parallels between McChrystal and McClellan I've mentioned. That's fine in and of itself, but the reason mostly appears to be he'd rather work with Rome as his parallel of choice. Again, I have no objection to that per se, until he says this:
"The purpose of the military is to break things and kill people. Will the Legions in Afghanistan be permitted to do that?"
Um... When it comes to "the" purpose of the military, not just no, but hell, no.
Here's what FM-3, Operations says:
"The Army organizes, trains, and equips its forces to fight and win the nation’s wars and achieve directed national objectives. Fighting and winning the nation’s wars is the foundation of Army service—the Army’s nonnegotiable contract with the American people and its enduring obligation to the nation. (emphasis added)
Sometimes, breaking things and killing people is how you fight and win the nation’s wars.
But sometimes, it isn't -- and fighting and winning is the "nonnegotiable contract" that takes priority over one old man's teenager-at-any-age impulses to break things and kill people.
That's the thing with reading Pournelle -- it almost always feels like being in a time machine, and the past 55 years haven't happened.
He then goes on to make what, at first blush, appears to be a good point:
"I have always been opposed to any massive US presence in Afghanistan. I do not really want the Legions to learn how to govern without the consent of the governed..."
I'll speculate a moment here, and guess that if you asked Pournelle the danger, it's he wants to keep the taste of a military coup out of the mouth of our armed forces.
Here are the problems I can think of with that, though, off the top of my head:
* For God's sake, Jerry, has there been a span of more than three years since 1861 when "the Legions" weren't governing some patch of land without the consent of the governed? Some of the years in question were on US soil, even. Pournelle was born in Louisiana and grew up in Memphis. It's tough to imagine he doesn't realize this (and can't think of examples since Reconstruction in the South of the Army governing some patch of land without the consent of the governed). After 150 years, I think the precedent has been set.
* It implies today's United States Army is no better than the armed forces of a banana republic, just waiting for the civilian authority to let down its guard. I don't think Pournelle (or anyone else with that attitude) can show more contempt to today's soldiers than that.
"If the United States wants to be in the Empire business, it will need to develop two kinds of military force: the nation builders, and the Legions."
This is where Pournelle decides to channel Walt Whitman ("Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"). But refreshingly, it's one of the few hints Pournelle has read anything on military affairs more recent than 1985 (notably, Tom Barnett, and I again call your attention to his talk at TED for a 24 minute quickie version of his "brief" which calls for a similar split in the military). Though, you never know, perhaps Pournelle came up with the idea independently -- the idea that such an approach is necessary for "Empire" and not just for, you know, fighting and winning the nation's wars would seem to argue for such detachment on Pournelle's part from current conversations the rest of the world are having.
But here's the real problem: Rome itself didn't follow Pournelle's model. Relative to the size of the Empire, relative to the size of the Legions, relative to the centuries they ruled... They just didn't "break things and kill people" all that often. The Legions were "the nation builders," most of the time. We're talking pre-capitalism, pre-corporatism -- it's not like the private sector had the wherewithal to do all that much of Imperial scope.
But why let the historical record get in the way of a good story?