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David Brooks writes in The New York Times about the just-finished health care summit, "The Republicans believe that the answer is to create a genuine market with clear price signals, empowered consumers and an evolving process."

The problem? It simply won't work.

Free markets are great. Supply and demand is a great framework.

But it doesn't -- and won't -- work for health care. The reason is one that rarely occurs, so the usual laissez-faire advocates aren't seeing it: Demand for health care is infinite. There is no price sensitivity or price elasticity when it comes to health care. The only event that makes people stop spending is when they run out of funds. That's why the American Journal of Medcine reports medical expenses are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US in a peer-reviewed study.

If demand for medical services is infinite, then there is never an equilibrium point for a price determined solely by supply and demand.

This is why the US, the only industrialized country that hasn't hasn't put health care under some form of social control, also has the largest share of its GDP given over to the heath care industry. Prices are out of control because there is no equilibrium point, so health care has become a black hole, drawing ever increasing dollars and GDP share in on itself.

Absent some governmental control of the sector, there's no rational reason to think market forces alone will succeed in containing costs.

Date: 2010-02-27 06:45 am (UTC)
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Demand for healthcare is clearly not infinite. What it is, and what stops conventional market economics from working, is price-inelastic. As the price goes up, people don't then decide that this healthcare stuff is getting too expensive so they'll spend their money on something else instead. Even within the healthcare sector, no one decides that a heart bypass has got too pricey so they'll have a tonsillectomy instead.

Date: 2010-02-27 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hal-obrien.livejournal.com
The only disagreement I see here between us is in your first sentence. Everything else is exactly the point I'm making, but phrased your own way. That's fine, and perhaps I'm just indulging in hyperbole by choosing the word "infinite", but...

In the original Damon Runyon story that became the musical Guys and Dolls, Runyon says of the character Sky Masterson, "He was called 'The Sky' because he would always bet everything he had, and no one can bet more than that." I would say that when one's life is threatened by medical problems, people will generally spend everything they have for the hope of prolonging their life, no matter how much or how little. Thus, the other well-known trend of so much of lifelong total medical expenses being incurred at the end, no matter how one slices it (one year, one month, one day...).

What is a better word than "infinite" for that behavior?
Edited Date: 2010-02-27 07:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-27 07:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drplokta
A better (although admittedly clunky) word is "price-inelastic". If it was "infinite", then you and I and everyone else in the world would be out right now spending all of our money on healthcare. And we're not (at least, I hope you're not). Only a relatively few people are currently in that position. And those people's needs aren't infinite, they're just greater than their resources.

Date: 2010-02-27 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hal-obrien.livejournal.com
"If it was "infinite", then you and I and everyone else in the world would be out right now spending all of our money on healthcare."

Not necessarily.

* Note the condition I made: "when one's life is threatened by medical problems." At any given time, the number of people in that condition is a relatively small percentage of the population.

* Also, just because there's demand for something doesn't necessarily mean there's a seller to meet it, either through supply or inclination.

In other words, just because one is willing to give all of one's money for a health care solution to something terminal doesn't necessarily mean there has to be someone who'll take it.

Date: 2010-02-27 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k6rfm.livejournal.com
Great link from my left-wing blogs today: http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/hayek-on-health-insurance/

Turns out even Hayek thinks universal health care is a reasonable state responsibility!

Date: 2010-02-27 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notthebuddha.livejournal.com
There is still a choice to delay to look for cheaper source for the service, and as the price rises, the market expands geographically. A RL example of this would be an American who has a hernia repaired in Mexican border city where the surgery and medications are much cheaper.

Date: 2010-02-28 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadine.livejournal.com
Good, clear summary.

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